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The Curse of Moses - Leviticus

And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. (Lev 26:18 KJV)

Leviticus 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

7 x 360 (Jewish month 30days) = 2520

The Curse of Moses - Daniel Confirms

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

Dan 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

Day for a Year in Prophecy

Lev 25:3-4 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; (4) But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

In the above verse's (3-4) it is easily seen that the land is to rest 1 year out of every seven years. Further that the land is to rest a total of 7 years (verse 8) out of every 49 year and then the Jubilee year would commence with an additional year of rest for the Land.

As we compare the 4th Commandment to this Commandment of Rest for the land we will find the "Day for a Year Principle" embedded into the Sabbath commandment and with it the 2520. The land is to rest for 1 year out of every 7, man is to rest 1 day out of every 7. Directly linked to the Sabbath Rest, is the Atonement. It is on the day of Atonement that the Sabbath rest for the Land is to be celebrated. Revealing much in spiritual understanding and the importance of the Sabbath rest itself. Now we have a connection of the Sabbath, the Atonement and the "Day for a Year Principle" directly revealed in the Sabbath. So you can ask yourself at this point, is the 2520 important?

Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

It is because of their lack of faith that the Children of Israel did not enter into the promised land. The Covenant Promise that was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That same Covenant Promise that we find that was to be fulfilled in Leviticus 25 & 26. Giving us a clear indiciation of  a warning if they were not obedient to our Lord and the requirement He set forth for them to keep. The Sabbath Rest for the Land and for Man.

Eze 4:4-6 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. (5) For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. (6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Ezekiel reveals clearly to the Children of Israel they were in the time of the curse and why. This is confirmed by Daniel 9:11,13.

Special Notes

2520 Questions and Answers a Running Dialogue

Comments:

 I'm not convinced the 2520 is something Adventists are supposed to be teaching. Ellen White to my knowledge never mentions 2520, she has plenty to say on the 2300. It was never a pillar of faith either after 1863. If it was important out top evangelists would be teaching it too. I think it is a device to sidetrack us. Youre welcome to try to convince me, but I need to see clear evidence it is for real and has prophetic value but I do not think it does.

SB

Answer

Dear Mr. SB,

 You have brought forth many statements below I will first address the 2520 independent of the other statements. Then I will respond to each separately.

 For Sister White and those who went through the experience of 1840-44 the 2520 was equated with the scattering and gathering of God's people. As to her not stating anything specifically you are correct ie., by saying 2520 year prophecy. Did she know it and believe in it you can find that in her writings which have been included for your review below.

 As to me trying to convince you that will never happen. For I know I cannot convince anyone of any subject. No matter how eloquent the oratory or how well written the argument. It is the Holy Spirit that does this, so my request which I am sure that you will do is to pray and ask the Lord to guide you through this understanding.

 First, is a question have you looked at the 1843 Chart? You will find it here: http://www.2520yearprophecycom/1843Chart.htm

 You will note that the 2520 Chart is in the top right hand corner of the Chart and it is mentioned twice. The following is EGW comment in regards to the Chart.

      September 23, the Lord showed me that He had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, [SEE PAGE 86.] and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering, Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time God will heal and bind up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if God should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be gathered. I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. (EW74)

 In the above quote you can see that EGW acknowledged the 1843 Chart which I am sure you have looked at and can see the 2520. That the Chart was directed by the hand of the Lord. If you believe she is a prophet this should be sufficient proof and this is the first proof point.

 The following quotes from EGW are in regards to the Message that was given from 1840 to 44 and that information is what you see on the Chart and that includes the 2520. You can see by the above statement that she is referring to the scattering time. This is consistent in what we find in Lev:26:33

 Please note the following quotes:

        Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel's message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew then what the message meant, and we call upon our people today to obey the word, "Bind up the law among My disciples." In this world there are but two classes,--the obedient and the disobedient. To which class do we belong? (GCB April 1st 1903)

       The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages. (GCB April 6th 1903)

       We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches. We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they speak.(RH Jan 19th 1905)

       The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit.(15MR Ltr 75 1905)

        All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible now, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the churches.  {21MR 437.1}(LTR 54 1906)

       God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844.  {MR760 30.1}(July 4th 1907)

 As you can see from the above quotes she supported the message that was on that chart. That Chart and the 1850 Chart contain the same information except that the 1850 or the Nichols chart contains our pillars ie, sanctuary…. Your question of why she did not talk about it then goes to what she believed in. For the Millerites of which she was a member of that movement, the 2520 was an established point it was not until after she passed away that the understanding of the 2520 and its importance started to diminish. Since it was an established point the Spirit of Prophecy did not need to clarify it. The purpose of the SOP was to help clarify points that they were unsure of or where they came to a stumbling block of all night study and were not able to come to a conclusion. Then the SOP would provide them with the light they needed to move forward from that point of stumbling. This is and the above quotes are the second proof point.

 Brother Bates: Matt. 25:5. "While the Bridegroom tarried they all slumbered and slept." In overhauling our dead reckoning, and re-examining our past observations, we could discover no mistake. But we did discover one thing which was to us a clear explanation of our text, at the same time so simple that the most we could say about it was, that God had withholden our eyes from this point as he did the two disciples in company with Jesus at his resurrection. And this was that six months had yet to be added to the prophetic periods before we could make them out full and complete. For instance, we now could see clearly that it would take every hour of 457 B.C., and 1843 years after to fill up 2300 days or years; and so of the seven times of the Gentiles; 677 B. C. and 1843, was only 2520 as given on the chart. Here we see plainly that the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem, did not go forth until the middle of 457; and so of the captivity of Manasseh, B. C. 677. And also that the 6000 year of the world could not be complete until the seventh month, where it commences. {1847 JB, BP2 58.2}  

 Brother Apollos Hale: The first of the prophetic periods, which are considered as main pillars in the calculations of Mr. Miller, is found in Leviticus xxvi. 18-28. {1843 ApH, TSAM 33.1} The objections urged against this are, 1. That it should not be considered a prophetic period at all. 2. If it he so considered,-as the seven times occur four times in the text,-it should be understood as a period of four times seven times. 3. Admitting it to express only one period of seven times, which, understood prophetically, would be 2520 years, why should the period begin B. C. 677? {1843 ApH, TSAM 33.2}

 Brother Josiah Litch: The time, times and a half, being reduced to days by John, Rev. xii. 14 and 6,-1260 days,-twice that will be seven times, or 2520 days. Subtract B. C. 677, from 2520, the whole period, leaves A. D. 1843. {1843 JoL, JUO 30.3} The objection to the understanding of a time of 360 days to be 360 years, is, that in that case Nebuchadnezzar 31 was made to eat grass like oxen for 2520 years. This objection would lay against us if we always used a day for a year; but we do not. We always understand time literally, if the subject will admit of it. If it will not admit of its being understood literally, without contradicting matter of fact or scripture, we are obliged to understand it symbolically. {1843 JoL, JUO 30.4} In the case of Nebuchadnezzar, there is nothing in the nature of the event which renders it necessary to understand anything but literal time; seven times, or 2520 days. But in the case of the "seven times" punishment of the church, it began in the days of Manasseh, B. C. 677, but it is not yet accomplished. Hence we must either deny matter of fact, or it is symbolical time. What does a day symbolize? I answer a year. Thus God explains it, Ezek. 4th chapter, "I have given thee each day for a year." It may be said that this was only in a single instance that God gave the rule, and in reference to a particular and specified event, and so cannot form a general rule.

 Brother Miller:  "And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh, the son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem," - tells us of the same thing, that Judah as well as Israel must be made captives. Israel began to be carried away in the days of Hoshea, 722 B. C., and from that time to 1798 after Christ, is exactly 2520 years, or the seven prophetic years. How remarkable, that when the seven years ended, God began to deliver 21 his church from her bondage, which for ages had been made subject to the kings of the earth. In 1798 the church came out of the wilderness, and began to be delivered from her captivity. But the completion of her slavery to the kingdoms of the earth, is reserved for another period. Beginning B. C., 677 years, seven prophetic years, or 2520 common years, would end in A. D. 1843.

 Brother James White: "Our minds were directed to that point of time, [1843,] from the fact that dating the several prophetic periods from those years in which the best chronologers assign the fulfillment of those events which were to mark their commencement, they all seemed to terminate that year. This was, however, only apparent. We date the 'seven times,' or 2520 years, from the captivity of Manasseh, which is, with great unanimity, placed by chronologers B. C. 677. This date is the only one we have ever reckoned from, for the commencement of this period; and subtracting B. C. 677 from 2520 years there remained A. D. 1843. We, however, did not observe that as it would require 677 full years B. C. and 1843 full years A. D. to complete 2520 years, that it would also oblige us to extend this period as far into A. D. 1844 as it might have commenced after the beginning of B. C. 677. The same was also true of the other periods. The great jubilee of 2450 years, commencing with the captivity of Jehoiakim B. C. 607; and the 2300 days, commencing with the 70 weeks B. C. 457, would respectively require 1843 full years after Christ added to as many full years before Christ, as the years in which we have always respectively commenced each period, to complete the number of years in each; and as subtracting from each period the date B. C. of its commencement, there would remain A. D. 1843, no reference whatever was made to the fraction of the year, which in each case, had transpired from its commencement, and which would require that each period should extend as much beyond the expiration of A. D. 1843, as they respectively began after the commencement of the year B. C. from which they are dated. {ND JW, PARA 7.1}

 As you have read the above you can see that those who were the Lord’s servants during that time period understood and preached the 2520. Each of them agreed and supported this. Please note that James White the husband of Ellen White supported this point. As you pointed out the SOP did not say much about this point, yet she did as we examine in more detail what was said in addition the SOP never spoke out against it. This is and the above statements are the third proof point.

 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (Matthew 18:16 KJV) This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (2 Corinthians 13:1 KJV)

In scripture we can see that in the mouth of two or three is a thing established. There is far more that can be given to confirm that the 2520 is a part of our Advent History and something the Sister White accepted to the day she died.

In partial Conclusion of the 2520

The 2520 has two separate time lines one begins in 723 and the other in 677. 723 concludes in 1798 and the 677 concludes in 1844. Why many are against this particular understanding puzzles me but here we have to separate witnesses to 1798 when Rome received its deadly wound and 1844 when Christ went into the most Holy Place. Here is the link to the 2520 year chart. http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/2520%20Chart%20(2)Stan03FEb08.pdf . Sister White had no need to speak of something that was already established and yet, she continued to speak of it from the reference point of the Scattering.

 Your statement. “It was never a pillar of faith either after 1863.” There is a common misunderstanding within Adventism as to what are the Foundations and Pillars. The Pillars are one thing and the Foundations are another. Please note the following.

 I will repeat one of the quotes mentioned above but this time in a more fuller context:  The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages. It has been guiding me ever since it was given. Brethren and sisters, God lives and reigns and works today. His hand is on the wheel, and in His providence He is turning the wheel in accordance with His own will. Let not men fasten themselves to documents, saying what they will do and what they will not do. Let them fasten themselves to the Lord God of heaven. Then the light of heaven will shine into the soul-temple, and we shall see the salvation of God.  {GCB, April 6, 1903 par. 35}

 In truth if we were to go into every aspect of this it would take some time this is just an overview. Some points that need to be understood from the above quote:

 1.  The message of 1840-44 is the foundation.

2.  The Platform

3.  The Rock of Ages.

 When you build any structure you first lay down the foundation and then you put up the rest of the building. You establish the foundation and then you place the Pillars on that foundation. Hence, the foundation is the message from 1840-44 is what the Pillars of our Church are set upon and EGW makes that distinction in her writings. It is the Platform that we build upon and as you can read for yourself she compares it that platform or foundation to the “Rock of Ages” who is our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Who does not change. Mal 3:6 – Please note that Platform and Foundation that was laid is the 1843 Chart which our Lord approved of.. Conclusion is that the 1843 Chart is the representation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the “Rock of Ages” the platform that was approved and established by him.

   I saw a company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon them with approbation. I was shown three steps-- the first, second, and third angels' messages. Said my accompanying angel, "Woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received." I was again brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step, until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some with rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find fault with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then the platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong. But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They recounted the wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm platform, and in union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice glorified God. This affected some of those who had complained and left the platform, and they with humble look again stepped upon it.  {EW 258.3}

 She continues to say this about the foundation: The Word of the Lord has guided our steps since the passing of the time in 1844. We have searched the Scriptures; we have built solidly; and we have not had to tear up our foundations and put in new timbers. {1MR 54}

   We must let the great principles of the third angel's message stand out clear and distinct. The great pillars of our faith will hold all the weight that can be placed upon them. Letter 207, 1899, p. 2. (To Elder S. N. Haskell and Elder G. A. Irwin, December 15, 1899.)  {1MR 53.3} 

 Here we can see she is calling the principles of the 3 Angels Message one of pillars of our faith.

 For more than half a century the different points of present truth have been questioned and opposed. New theories have been advanced as truth, which were not truth, and the Spirit of God revealed their error. As the great pillars of our faith have been presented, the Holy Spirit has borne witness to them, and especially is this so regarding the truths of the sanctuary question. Over and over again the Holy Spirit has in a marked manner endorsed the preaching of this doctrine. But today, as in the past, some will be led to form new theories and to deny the truths upon which the Spirit of God has placed His approval.--Manuscript 125, 1907.  {Ev 224.2} 

 Here we can see that the Sanctuary is one of those pillars.

 A Partial Conclusion of the Pillars and Platorm.

 EGW:  What influence is it would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faith--the foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study of the Word and by revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years. Do you wonder that when I see the beginning of a work that  would remove some of the pillars of our faith, I have something to say? I must obey the command, "Meet it!" . . .  {1SM 207.3} 

     I must bear the messages of warning that God gives me to bear, and then leave with the Lord the results. I must now present the matter in all its bearings; for the people of God must not be despoiled.  {1SM 208.1} 

     We are God's commandment-keeping people. For the past fifty years every phase of heresy has been brought to bear upon us, to becloud our minds regarding the teaching of the Word--especially concerning the ministration of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary, and the message of Heaven for these last days, as given by the angels of the fourteenth chapter of Revelation. Messages of every order and kind have been urged upon Seventh-day Adventists, to take the place of the truth which, point by point, has been sought out by prayerful study, and testified to by the miracle-working power of the Lord. But the waymarks which have made us what we are, are to be preserved, and they will be preserved, as God has signified through His Word and the testimony of His Spirit. He calls upon us to hold firmly, with the grip of faith, to the fundamental principles that are based upon unquestionable authority.

As noted above the platform was the message as shown on the 1843 Chart and the Pillars which came later are those that are fastened unto the platform.

 Your next statement “If it was important out top evangelists would be teaching it too.” In all seriousness are you willing to trust someone else with your salvation?

 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. (Isaiah 28:10-13 KJV)

 Please note at the time of Christ were the Pharisees and Sadducees preaching Jesus? Hence EGW makes this comment:   Whatever may be man's intellectual advancement, let him not for a moment think that there is no need of thorough and continuous searching of the Scriptures for greater light. As a people we are called individually to be students of prophecy. We must watch with earnestness that we may discern any ray of light which God shall present to us. We are to catch the first gleamings of truth; and through prayerful study clearer light may be obtained, which can be brought before others.  {5T 708.2}

      The scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees had wandered away from the truth, and Jesus exhorted the people to study the Scriptures for themselves. God has endowed men with intellect, and has made it possible for them to be enlightened by the word of life; but today, as then, people will accept the teaching and doctrines of men, rather than obey the plain word of God. They choose to take the broad road that leads to death, rather than to bear their cross and follow the blood-stained path that leads to eternal life.  {RH, February 7, 1888 par. 12}

 Scripture says the following. 2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 I look forward to your response.

 GB

Randy Moeller

www.2520yearprophecy.com

 Dear brother Randy, I’ve looked at the chart previously and am aware it is there. I will submit that this is not critical to salvation, and if we waste our time on things unimportant, (or bogus) we are accountable for wasting that time. I will look into this further in the interest of edification, but I seriously doubt I will be teaching or promoting 2520. I am also reading a paper by Eugene Prewitt of Amazing Facts,(on 2520) and even though I have not seen one iota of error from them, all things must pass Isaiah 8:20. EGW says this in your quote,

that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. (EW74)

To me, figures mean numbers, and may include the “second 1260 years” I also realize God allowed for “the cleanse the sanctuary mistake” for His reasons.

Again, if 2520 was valid, EGW would have taught it. Our top evangelists that are led of God have not nor are they now teaching it. It is also significant that as apostasy is now on the increase in the SDA church, now the 2520 has also arisen! Why is this so important?

Blessings, SB

From: 2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm

Answer

Dear Mr. SB,

Please note the quote below.

     Jesus and all the heavenly host looked with sympathy and love upon those who had with sweet expectation longed to see Him whom their souls loved. Angels were hovering around them, to sustain them in the hour of their trial. Those who had neglected to receive the heavenly message were left in darkness, and God's anger was kindled against them, because they would not receive the light which He had sent them from heaven. Those faithful, disappointed ones, who could not understand why their Lord did not come, were not left in darkness. Again they were led to their Bibles to search the prophetic periods. The hand of the Lord was removed from the figures, and the mistake was explained. They saw that the prophetic periods reached to 1844, and that the same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844. Light from the Word of God shone upon their position, and they discovered a tarrying time--"Though it [the vision] tarry, wait for it." In their love for Christ's immediate coming, they had overlooked the tarrying of the vision, which was calculated to manifest the true waiting ones. Again they had a point of time. Yet I saw that many of them could not rise above their severe disappointment to possess that degree of zeal and energy which had marked their faith in 1843.  {EW 236.1} 

God Bless

Sincerely,

Randy Moeller

www.2520yearprophecy.com

 Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:36 PM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm

 Right you are Randy,but this only explains the end of the 2300 prophecy, it is not inclusive of the additional 220 years, nor does it suggest a doubling of the 1260 years. Since we have definite evidence of the validity of 1260, how does it make sense to double it? We have clear directions from the angel as to the beginnings of 2300.

Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

So why muddy it up?

BTW, my stance is historic SDA pre-QOD (1957) I am not a liberal. But I also try not to swing to the other extreme either. I am aware apostasy in the SDA church will increase even more as we near the time of trouble leading to the mark of the beast. You may agree preaching the 3 angels messages now to a dying world is of utmost importance. And that includes 2300. As of yet I still fail to see where 2520 fits in for the edification of all. Salvation must take priority and that should include the conditions God gives, such as confession of sin, repentance, and keeping the commandments.

I first saw this 2520 on temcat a few months ago. I also noticed what appeared to be other “strange” prophetic interpretations of prophecy.

So Randy, please tell me your general stance upon Adventism, are you separatist independent?

Blessings, Steve

Ordeal of the Sifting Time.--Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out--the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths. . . . The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy (Letter 55, 1886). {7BC 911.6}

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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:17 AM
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Answer

Dear Mr. SB,

If you will note the years in which EGW made her statements in regards to the platform of 1840-44 you will find most were between 1903-07 confirming the validity of that information of the Charts 1843 & 1850 which included the Sanctuary message are valid today. Those parts of the GC are a two edged sword.

 Earlier it was established and you agreed that the foundation of our Church was established between 1840-44 – the spirit of Prophecy consistently agrees. Hence the following quotes:

 Protest against Removing Landmarks

 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.  (Deuteronomy 19:14 KJV)

 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:17 KJV)

 Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set. (Proverbs 22:28 KJV)

      Listen not a moment to the interpretations that would loosen one pin, remove one pillar, from the platform of truth. Human interpretations, the reception of fables, will spoil your faith, confuse your understanding, and make of none effect your faith in Jesus Christ. Study diligently the third chapter of Revelation. In it is pointed out the danger of losing your hold upon the things that you have heard and learned from the Source of all light. Letter 230, 1906, p. 4. (To Elders of the Battle Creek Church, and to Ministers and Physicians, July 5, 1906.)  {1MR 54.4} 

      When men come in who would move one pin or pillar from the foundation which God has established by His Holy Spirit, let the aged men who were  pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals. Gather up the rays of divine light that God has given as He has led His people on step by step in the way of truth. This truth will stand the test of time and trial. Ms 62, 1905, p. 6. ("A Warning against False Theories," May 24, 1905.)  {1MR 55.1} 

      No lie is of the truth. On every occasion possible, Satan is on hand to introduce the leaven of his deceptive fallacies. Listen not a moment to the interpretations that would loosen one pin, remove one pillar, from the platform of truth.  {PC 74.5}    Human interpretations, the reception of fables, will spoil your faith, confuse your understanding, and make of none effect your faith in Jesus Christ. Study diligently the third chapter of Revelation. In it is pointed out the danger of losing your hold upon the things that you have heard and learned from the Source of all light. "Remember. . .how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent." Why repent? Because there have come in faults, in the form of theories so subtle that by the influence of mind upon mind, through the agency of those who have departed from the faith, the wily foe will cause you imperceptibly to be imbued with the spirit that will draw you away from the faith.  {PC 74.6} 

 The truths given us after the passing of the time in 1844 are just as certain and unchangeable as when the Lord gave them to us in answer to our urgent prayers. The visions that the Lord has given me are so remarkable that we know that what we have accepted is the truth. This was demonstrated by the Holy Spirit. Light, precious light from God, established the main points of our faith as we hold them today. And these truths are to be kept before the mind. We must arouse from the position of lukewarmness, from being neither cold nor hot. We need increased faith and more earnest trust in God. We must not be satisfied to remain where we are. We must advance step by step, from light to greater light.  {8MR 319.1} 

     The Lord will certainly do great things for us if we will hunger and thirst after righteousness. We are the purchased property of Jesus Christ. We must not lose our devotion, our consecration. We are in conflict with the errors and delusions that have to be swept away from the minds of those who have not acted upon the light they already have. Bible truth is our only safety. I know and understand that we are to be established in the faith, in the light of the truth given us in our early experience. At that time one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scriptures with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds. Sometimes whole nights would be devoted to searching the Scriptures, and earnestly asking God for guidance. Companies of devoted men and women assembled for this purpose. The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error.  {8MR 319.2} 

     As the points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays.  {8MR 320.1} 

     All these truths are immortalized in my writings. The Lord never denies His word. Men may get up scheme after scheme, and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from the many delusions that will come in in these last days.  {8MR 320.2} 

     I know that the sanctuary question stands in righteousness and truth, just as we have held it for so many years. It is the enemy that leads minds off on side-tracks. He is pleased when those who know the truth become engrossed in collecting Scriptures to pile around erroneous theories, which have no foundation in truth. The Scriptures thus used are misapplied; they were not given to substantiate error, but to strengthen truth.  {8MR 320.3} 

     So you see that it is impossible for us to have any agreement with the positions taken by Brother Ballenger, for no lie is of the truth. His proofs do not belong where he places them, and although he may lead minds to believe his theory in regard to the sanctuary, this is no evidence that his theory is true. We have had a plain and decided testimony to bear for half a century. The positions taken in my books are truth. The truth was revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, and we know that Brother Ballenger's position is not according to the word of God. His theory is a deceiving theory, and he misapplies Scriptures. Theories of the kind that he has been presenting, we have had to meet again and again.  {8MR 320.4} 

     I am thankful that the instruction contained in my books establishes present truth for this time. These books were written under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I praise the Lord with heart and soul and voice, and I pray that He will lead into all truth those who will be led. I praise Him that He has so wonderfully spared my life up to this time, to bear the same message upon the important points of our faith that I have borne for half a century.--Letter 50, 1906, pp. 1-4. (To Elder W. W. Simpson, January 30, 1906.)

 It seems we disagree and I have read his articles as well. As stated before your argument is not with me.  You have been given both scriptural texts and SOP. The choice is yours as for me….

 God Bless

Sincerely

Randy Moeller

www.2520yearprophecy.com

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 Randy, God accepted as for that time all that was on the chart, but He had his hand over it the mistakes. As a traditionalist, I don’t accept everything Miller thought he figured out, he made errors. I start around 1863.

Please read Eugene Pewitts article I sent you, it makes a lot of sense.

This 2520 is twisted and convoluted and has several different versions, not the least of which Jeff Pippinger says the 7th trumpet was in 2001! All these interpreters cannot agree!

I see that 2520 is not edifying for anything and takes our focus off where it should be.

There is no value in “weird” prophecies such as that.

I suggest reading carefully the parts in the Great Controversy of how Satan will sidetrack us and lay snares.

Miller was not infallible.

Blessings, SB

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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:22 PM
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 Dear Mr. SB,

 I believe in supporting our Church and I am a board member, we may not agree on issues that is the freedom of choice that our Lord has granted us.

 This is not a matter of Randy being right or not, this is a matter of accepting the Message that was given to us as established by our Founding Fathers. Please note the following verses:

 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken. (Jeremiah 6:16-17 KJV)

 The 2520 is the only other “figures” that comes to its conclusion at the same time of the 2300 year prophecy. If you so decide that it is a different situation that is your choice. You say you are a Historicist. You have been given the quotes from EGW that support the understanding of the 1840-44 msg. I have given you excerpts from several pioneers including James White I am now including Miller’s complete position for it was Miller who established the foundations of our SDA Church.

 Miller would not have found the 2300 year prophecy without the 2520. The 2520 he understood first and then he came to the 2300 year prophecy.  The 2520 is integrally linked to the 3 Angels Message as are the Commandments of God and Gen 3:15.  Sister White tells us there is a Golden Thread that goes throughout scripture (1SM20.1) The 2520 is an integral part of that thread. Those who wish to deny or argue against it are not arguing with me the evidence is there the choice is theirs.

 Just one note on the 2520 time line is the time line of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin. Christ went into the Most Holy Place on Oct 22nd 1844 at the conclusion of the 2520. Judah is the lineage of Christ. The 2300 year prophecy is pointing out the rebuilding of Spiritual Jerusalem God’s end time church. The 2520  confirms this and is the evidence in scripture that we are God’s denominated people.

 The previous quotes supported the position from 1840-44 now the following quotes support Miller. In these quotes Miller is compared to Elijah and John the Baptist please note the following scripture Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1 KJV)

   Thousands were led to embrace the truth preached by William Miller, and servants of God were raised up in the spirit and power of Elijah to proclaim the message. Like John, the forerunner of Jesus, those who preached this solemn message felt compelled to lay the ax at the root of the tree, and call upon men to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. Their testimony was calculated to arouse and powerfully affect the churches and manifest their real character. And as the solemn warning to flee from the wrath to come was sounded, many who were united with the churches received the healing message; they saw their backslidings, and with bitter tears of repentance and deep agony of soul, humbled themselves before God. And as the Spirit of God rested upon them, they helped to sound the cry, "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come."  {EW 233.1}

      Angels of God accompanied Wm. Miller in his mission. He was firm and undaunted. He fearlessly proclaimed the message committed to his trust. A world lying in wickedness, and a cold, worldly church were enough to call into action his energy, and lead him to willingly endure toil, privation and suffering. Although opposed by professed christians and the world, and buffeted by Satan and his angels, he ceased not to preach the everlasting gospel to crowds wherever he was invited, and sound the cry, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.  {1SG 132.2}

      As he followed down the prophecies, he saw that the inhabitants of earth were living in the closing scenes of this world's history, and they knew it not. He looked at the corruptions of the churches, and saw that their love was taken from Jesus, and placed on the world, and that they were seeking for worldly honor instead of that honor which cometh from above; ambitious for worldly riches, instead of laying up their treasure in heaven. Hypocrisy, darkness and death he could see everywhere. His spirit was stirred within him. God called him to leave his farm, as Elisha was called to leave his oxen and the field of his labor to follow Elijah. With trembling, William Miller began to unfold the mysteries of the kingdom of God to the people. He gained strength with every effort. He carried the people down through the prophecies to the second advent of Christ. As John the Baptist heralded the first advent of Jesus, and prepared the way for his coming, so also, Wm. Miller and those who joined him, proclaimed the second advent of the Son of God.  {1SG 129.1}

 Those preachers, ministers and teachers that fight against this truth should reconsider their position very carefully. For we here we have clear evidence that Miller is compared to Elijah and John and that he was led of Angels.  The SOP agrees with this position.  This message is for SDA’s. It is history that makes who we are. If we do not know what it is and what we believe in then how can we possibly move forward into the truth that our Lord has for us when we do not even know our past.

 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.(Ecclesiastes 3:15 KJV) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (Isaiah 46:10 KJV)

 As stated before I cannot change your mind I can only  bring you the evidence. What you choose to do with it is of course your choice. For I know this from scripture: And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:31 KJV)

 GB

Sincerely,

Randy Moeller

www.2520yearprophecy.com

 A Lecture on the Typical Sabbaths and Great Jubilee

 LECTURE  ON THE  TYPICAL SABBATHS AND GREAT JUBILEE

 BY WILLIAM MILLER,

OF LOW HAMPTON, NEW YORK.BOSTON:PUBLISHED BY JOSHUA V. HIMES,  14 Devonshire Street.  1842.

 LECTURE  

THE Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn. - ISAIAH lxi.1,2. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 3.1}

THIS text is a prophecy of Isaiah, delivered by the prophet about seven hundred years before Christ was born, whom he personates in this remarkable manner; and was the first text used by our dear Savior when he began his public ministry in Nazareth, where he was brought up. He then read a part of our text, closed the book, and sat down. All the eyes of them which were in the synagogue were fastened on him; and he began to say unto them, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears:" Luke iv.18-21. He did not say it was fulfilled in their sight, but in their hearing; neither did he quote the last part of our text, "and the day of vengeance  of our God, to comfort all that mourn." Some have taken advantage of this circumstance, and argued, that, because Christ did not quote the last part of the text, therefore the day of vengeance is or was past, and no day of vengeance to come. We see, by this very argument, how wicked men will pervert the word of God, to shield themselves from the just and righteous vengeance of God. If they were not guilty, and did not fear this day of retribution, they would not make Isaiah a false prophet, in order to avoid the consequence which they otherwise must, and do, admit by the argument would of necessity follow. Although Christ, at this time, did not see fit to speak of the day of vengeance, yet, in our text, Isaiah says he would proclaim it; and I think, I shall be able to show he did proclaim a day of vengeance in his public ministry. And the reader would do well to take notice, that by the same mode of reasoning, "to comfort all that mourn" was left out, and passed, and therefore Christ will not afterwards comfort them that mourn. Who will believe this? Yet one is as sound and valid an argument as the other. Therefore, when men are driven to such weak and silly arguments, we may well suspect their foundation to be unsound and sandy.  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 3.2}

I shall therefore show, - {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.1}

I. What is meant by our text. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.2}

II. What we may understand by "year of release and day of vengeance." {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.3}

III. When this day will come. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.4}

I. Explain the text. "The Spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me." This part was literally fulfilled when Jesus was baptized of John in Jordan; the Holy Spirit descended upon him like a dove, and the voice from heaven pronounced him the true Messiah, which was earnestly looked for by all true worshippers about this time.   {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.5}

"Because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek." This too was accomplished at the first advent of Jesus Christ, when he was anointed with the Holy Ghost and with power. Acts x.38: "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." Also, Christ did preach good tidings unto the meek in his sermon on the mount. Matt.v.5: "Blessed are the meek, for they

shall inherit the earth." This cannot be fulfilled until Christ's second coming, and at the resurrection of the just, - Psalm lxxvi.9: "When God arose to judgment, to save all the meek of the earth;" - that is, in its complete sense. But Christ did preach what the prophet Isaiah said he would, "good tidings to the meek," and will accomplish his promise at his second advent, and give possession of the earth to the saints.  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 5.6}

"He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted." This part of our text was to be done; not preached, but performed. This is the effect of the gospel, to bind up the heart of the poor penitent. He could say, son, or daughter, "thy sins are forgiven thee; go, and sin no more." For the Son of man had power to forgive sin. Matt.ix.6.   {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 6.1}

"To proclaim liberty to the captives." This he was to proclaim or promise; not to do them, at his first coming, but to preach, as Paul has explained it, in Rom.viii.21-23: "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth, and travaileth in pain together until now; and not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body:" which shows plainly that we are under bondage, until the redemption of the body, the resurrection of the just, when all captives will go free, and will be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God.  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 6.2}

"And the opening of the prison to them that are bound." The accomplishment of this promise can only be fulfilled in the resurrection of the just, when the graves will be opened, and all the bodies of the saints who have slept will come forth. See 1Cor.xv.54,55: "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" Then will death have no dominion over them, and the bonds of the prisoners will be loosed.   {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 7.1}

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our GOD." The acceptable year of the Lord is evidently   the same time as we have before mentioned, when God will deliver all his captives and release him that is bound in death. It is very evident that the year of release is alluded to by the prophet, which was appointed of God as a type of the final release of the children of God from the corruption and bondage of death.  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 7.2}

"And the day of vengeance of our GOD." This is the day when God will raise and glorify his saints, - see Isa.lxi,3: "To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called Trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified," - and when he will take vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is fairly proved by Isa.xxxiv.8,9: "For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch." And this text proves that it is the great burning day, when the wicked shall be stubble. It is also the year of recompenses for Zion. Again; Isa.lxiii.3,4: "I have trodden the wine-press alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury, and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed is come." In this passage we are taught the destruction of the wicked, and the year of redemption of his people, as being both at one time. See Zeph.iii.8,9; Mal.iii.17; and iv.1-3. Also we have Christ's own words. Matt.iii.12: "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Matt.xiii.40-43: "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in  the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." In these passages Christ shows clearly that when he gathers his saints he will burn up the wicked. See the 49th and 50th verses. Also, Paul talks of the same day, 1Thess.iv.14, to the third verse of the fifth chapter, as follows: "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, peace and safety; then sudden destruction  cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." This passage plainly shows the destruction of those who cry peace and safety, when he raises the dead in Christ. Again, 2Thess.i.7-10: "And to you, who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day." In this epistle, Paul shows how the wicked are to be destroyed "in flaming fire," and "when he shall come to be glorified in his saints." Peter agrees with the others, in 2Pet.iii.11-13: "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." What can be proved more clearly, than I have proved by these passages, that "the year of release and the day of vengeance" are at one and the same time; and the destruction of the wicked by fire, and the resurrection and glorification of the saints, at the time of Christ's coming?  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 8.1}

"To comfort all that mourn." Christ taught the same doctrine in Matt.v.4: "Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted." These promises in this chapter are common to all the saints, and can only be fulfilled when they are raised up, and live in his sight. Then he will wipe tears from off all faces. Isa.xxv.8: "He will swallow up death in victory, and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces, and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth; for the Lord hath spoken it." Rev.vii.15-17: "Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Rev.xxi.3,4: "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." He will then comfort all that mourn; not one mourning saint will be left comfortless. John xiv.18: "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Thus we are taught when these blessings which Christ was to proclaim will be fulfilled, - in the year of release and day of vengeance.  {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 12.1}

II. I will now show what is meant by the acceptable year. 1st. It is the year when captives go free, and those bound in prison are loosed. The prophet evidently alludes to the sabbatical  year among the Jews, which was a type of this year spoken of in our text. Isaiah alludes to this time, in chap.xlix.8-13. We have an account of this typical year, first, in Exodus xxi.2: "If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing." Next place, Exodus xxiii.10,11: "And six years thou shalt sow thy land, and shalt gather in the fruits thereof: but the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave, the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard." Levit.xxv.3,4: same as above. Deut.xv.1,2: "At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. And this is the manner of the release: every creditor that lendeth aught unto his neighbor, shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbor, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release." Jeremiah xxxiv.14: "At the end of seven years, let ye go every man his brother a Hebrew, which hath been sold unto thee; and when he hath served thee six years, thou shalt let him go free from thee: but your fathers hearkened not unto me, neither inclined their ear." In these texts we are taught, that at the end of every seven years the Jews were commanded to let their Hebrew servants go free, and to release all their debtors from their debts. This is called a sabbath, or year of release, and was one of the Jewish sabbaths, which was typical, or a shadow of good things to come, as we are informed by Paul to the Colossians, ii.16,17: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." If then this is a type of time, as well as manner, - and we are expressly told that the Hebrew servants were to be let go free, at the end of every seven years, - so may we not reasonably suppose, that Jesus Christ will deliver his children from their bondage, at the end of seven prophetic years? Surely a shadow must have its substance, and the type must agree with its antitype. How can a believer in the word of God deny the promises here laid down? Will not the antitype be as sure as the type? The first was given to man as a pledge of the future, shadowing forth good things to come, and depended on the obedience of man for its accomplishment. The second is the promise of God, depending not on any contingencies, but is wholly disposed of by the wisdom and power of God. Therefore, I cannot see why I may not have strong faith in this promise, as well as in all others, which God in his good pleasure has seen fit to reveal unto us through shadows and types. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 13.1}

If this, then, is a correct view of the subject, and time is prefigured, when would the seven years of the antitype begin? I answer, it must begin with the servitude and bondage of the visible people of God; for at the end of seven years they must go free, or there would be no force in the type, and of course no fulfilment in the antitype. Seven prophetic years would be seven times 360, equal to 2520 years. This bondage must begin with the kingdom of Babylon, the first kingdom of Daniel's four monarchies, which kingdoms were to make war with the saints, and prevail against them, until the Ancient of Days came; and these were to scatter the people of God into all the kingdoms of the earth, and have dominion over them, and  exercise authority upon them. Mark x.42: "But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles, exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them." This was prophesied of by Moses and all the prophets down to John. Acts iii.20-24: "And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets, since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, a Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you, of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things, whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul which will not hear that Prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel, and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days." And the restitution of all things must be at the year of release, when God will send his Son Jesus Christ to restore the earth and all who will then dwell therein, to a state  of purity and blessedness, and bring them into the inheritance of the saints, and shall deliver them from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. These seven years of servitude must include these four kingdoms, Babylon or Nebuchadnezzar's, which was the head of gold; Media and Persia, Grecia and Rome, which constituted the whole man of sin, from his head to his toes. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 16.1}

When, then, may we not ask, did the bondage of the children of God begin? I answer, when literal Babylon began to exercise authority over them. In the twenty-second year of Manasseh's reign, in the year before Christ 677, the last of the ten tribes were carried away, and Israel ceased to be a nation, according to the prophecy of Isaiah, vii.8: "For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin: and within three-score and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people." Isaiah prophesied this in the year 742 before Christ, which prophecy was literally fulfilled in sixty-five years afterwards, in the year B. C. 677. Then, too, Manasseh king of Judah was carried a captive into Babylon, and the threatenings of God began upon his people. 2Kings xxi.10-14: "And the Lord spake by his servants the prophets, saying, because Manasseh, king of Judah, hath done these abominations, and hath done wickedly above all that the Amorites did, which were before him, and hath made Judah also to sin with his idols: therefore, thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down. And I will forsake the remnant of mine inheritance, and deliver them into the hand of their enemies; and they shall become a prey and a spoil to all their enemies." Also, xxiv.3,4: "Surely at the commandment of the Lord came this upon Judah, to remove them out of his sight, for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he did; and also for the innocent blood that he shed, (for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood,) which the Lord would not pardon." And although Josiah, who was king of Judah after Manasseh, did many good  acts, yet the Lord turned not from the fierceness of his wrath against Judah. 2Kings xxiii.26,27: "Notwithstanding, the Lord turned not from the fierceness of his great wrath, wherewith his anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations that Manasseh had provoked him withal. And the Lord said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there." The decree against Judah, was the same as against Israel. They must be scattered among all nations. It could not be revoked, notwithstanding their repentance and partial reformation. Jeremiah xv.4, - "And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh, the son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem," - tells us of the same thing, that Judah as well as Israel must be made captives. Israel began to be carried away in the days of Hoshea, 722 B. C., and from that time to 1798 after Christ, is exactly 2520 years, or the seven prophetic years. How remarkable, that when the seven years ended, God began to deliver  his church from her bondage, which for ages had been made subject to the kings of the earth. In 1798 the church came out of the wilderness, and began to be delivered from her captivity. But the completion of her slavery to the kingdoms of the earth, is reserved for another period. Beginning B. C., 677 years, seven prophetic years, or 2520 common years, would end in A. D. 1843. Therefore, beginning at the captivity of Manasseh and the final dispersion of the ten tribes of Israel, where God has fixed the time for the dispersion of the people of God and the scattering of the holy people, until the year 1843, will be the end of the seven years, when the acceptable year of the LORD will commence; and, in my humble opinion, the children of God will be delivered from all the evils enumerated by Moses in Leviticus xxvi., and Jeremiah xv.; from war or the sword, from pestilence and famine, from captivity and spoil, from death and corruption; and all will be comforted, and all tears be wiped from off all faces; sighs and sorrows shall cease forever, and there shall be no more curse, for the throne of the Lamb shall be there, and he shall dwell with them, and be  their God, and they shall be his people. This will take place in the acceptable year of the Lord, the antitypical year of release. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 18.1}

III. This day is typified by the seventh-day sabbath. Let us first notice how the seventh-day sabbath was instituted. "In six days God made the heavens and the earth, and rested from his labors on the seventh day." He, therefore, hallowed the day and blessed it, and gave it to his people and the world as a sign, token or type, that the world, although filled with sin, and cursed by man's transgression, yet the world, and the people who are counted worthy to obtain the same inheritance or rest, should in six days be made new, by the great Mediator who is to make all things new. And when the world and the inhabitants therein are purified by the immersion of fire, then would this typical sabbath end, and the last typified sabbath commence. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 22.1}

This is certainly evident from Paul's reasoning in the fourth chapter of Hebrews: as also from his expression in Col.ii.16,17. That the sabbath typifies time as well as rest, is as plain to me as that light follows the rays of the sun, or shadows discover the form of the substance. If, then, the seventh day was a rest in the first creation, so must the seventh day in the new creation be a day of rest to the people who are created in Christ Jesus to inherit the new heavens and new earth. Then, if by any means we can find out how long a day is in the sight of the Lord, and can tell how long the world has stood since the fall of man, we can tell as well when the great sabbath will commence, and as easily, as we can tell when our common sabbath will commence, after six days labor and toil. For the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now, waiting for the redemption of the day of rest which remains for the people of God. And now let us see if there is any clue by which we can discover these two points. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 22.2}

1. What length of time with us, is a day with the Lord? The first evidence I shall bring is in Ps.xc.4: "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." Let the reader read the whole Psalm, and he will discover that the inspired penman has a prophetic view of the power of death, and destruction of the present race of men on the earth,  their afflictions and sorrows, under the wrath of God against sin. He then shows the return of God to our earth, the establishment of his mercy upon the same forever, and that his work and glory should appear unto his servants. It would be natural for those who felt an interest in this work, to inquire how long before this work of mercy would be completed. In order to answer all reasonable inquiries, he shows us that a thousand years, in the sight of God, is but as yesterday, or one day with us. Then, by reasoning from analogy, the saint of God might come to a just conclusion, that as in six days God made the heavens and earth, so in six thousand years he will create, by Jesus Christ, the new heavens and new earth. Again, in 2Peter iii.8,9: "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." In this text we are plainly told not to be ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a  thousand years with us; and gives us the reason, that he may be long-suffering to usward, that we may come to repentance. He will give us six thousand years to repent in, and then will come the day of the Lord, when we shall live in his sight; or as John expresses it, Rev.xx.6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." These texts to me are sufficient testimony, that a day, in the work of the new creation, is a thousand years. And now, if we can show what age we live in since the work of redemption began, we may come to a satisfactory result when that work will be finished. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 23.1}

It is said by our chronological writers, that the world was 4004 years old at our era for the birth of Christ. But I think they are not right, into more than 150 years; and I think I can prove by the Bible they are not. In the one article of chronology, for the time of the judges' rule, from Joshua to Samuel, or to the death of Eli, our chronologers have given but about 295 years, when the Bible, in the history of the judges, gives us 448 years; Paul, in  Acts xiii.20, gives us about the space of 450; and Josephus, the Jewish historian, gives us for judges 451 years. Now, I ask, in all human probability, who is right - our late writers, who only give 295 years, or the history of the judges, which gives us 448 years, corroborated by Paul and Josephus's testimony? Surely all must agree, that the weight of testimony is in favor of that chronology which makes the year of Christ's birth, according to our computation, 4157 years after the creation or fall of man. Then, by adding 1843, we have our 6000 years up to the commencing of the day of rest, or the beginning of the seven thousandth year, or the great sabbath, of which our seventh day is but a shadow. What strong evidence is this, that we are now living at the end of the 6000 years, in which the work of redemption must be completed, and the glory of God be revealed in the face of Jesus Christ at his appearing and his kingdom! Let me notice one other circumstance: from the foundation of the world to the confusion of tongues, under Patriarchal government, was 2000 years, or two days; from the confusion of tongues, to the time the Roman kingdom became mistress of the world, through the reign of the Babylonian empire, 2000 years more; and from the rise of the Roman empire to the commencement of Christ's universal kingdom under the whole heaven, will be 2000 years more, in the year 1843. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 25.1}

IV. This year of release, and deliverance of the saints from all bondage, death not excepted, is typified in one way more, by the Jubilee, or fiftieth year. It is well known that the Jews were commanded to keep every fiftieth year as a year of redemption from all bondage, debts or dues; persons, lands and tenements were redeemed and restored to the former owners. This is typical of the redemption of the people of God from all captivity, bondage or death, into the glorious liberty of the sons of God; Rom.viii.21; and is also typical of the times of the restitution of all things. Acts iii.21: "Whom the heaven must receive, until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets, since the world began." And these jubilees did measure time with as exact measurement as the hand on the clock points to the time of day. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 27.1}

In order to realize the force of this type, we  must notice that as seven days constitute a sabbath, so seven kinds of sabbath form a complete round of sabbaths, and carry us up to the perfect sabbath in heaven. "Seven sabbaths are complete." {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 27.2}

1st. Is the seventh-day sabbath. Exod.xxxi.13-17. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.1}

2nd. Is the fiftieth-day sabbath. Levit.xxiii.15,16. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.2}

3rd. Is the seventh week sabbath. Deut.xvi.9,10. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.3}

4th. Is the seventh month sabbath. Levit.xxiii.24,25. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.4}

5th. Is the seventh year sabbath. Levit.xxv.3-5. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.5}

6th. Is the year fiftieth, or jubilee. Levit.xxv.8-13. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.6}

7th. Is the fiftieth jubilee, and may be called the antitype of all other sabbaths. This will take no less than forty-nine times fifty years, which is 2450 years, to bring us to the great Jubilee, of which all others are but the shadows or types. The next question which remains to be settled, is, to know when this time began. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.7}

It is made plain that we are to begin to reckon from the last jubilee kept in regular  succession, and the time the Jews were carried into their 70 years' captivity and could not keep their jubilees, for their captivity exceeded a jubilee, 20 years. This is the rule given, Levit.xxiii.15: "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete." Also the prophecy of Moses, - Levit.xxvi.34,35: "Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it," - shows us when the land will lie desolate and enjoy her sabbaths, not be possessed or tilled by the people of God exclusively, until the final redemption of the purchased possession in the great Jubilee, when the true Israel of God will all be redeemed. Our Judaizing teachers will tell you that "the Jews did return to their land after seventy years captivity." I agree; but did they return as in their jubilees? By no means; they were yet slaves and bondmen, and remained so under the several succeeding  kingdoms of Persia, Grecia and Rome, until they were cut off from being the people of God. Isaiah lxv.15: "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name." Since which time all Christians have been strangers and pilgrims, as their fathers were in the land of promise; for now the promise is, "the meek shall inherit the earth." It is no more given to the Jew in the flesh; but children of faith, like our father Abraham, are counted for the seed, to whom the promises are now made. There remaineth, therefore, a redemption for the people of God, not to the Jew only, but to all the people of God who are scattered abroad, when the great trumpet shall be blown in the great Jubilee. Isa.xxvii.13: "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem." Let the reader consult Isa.xviii.3-7. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 28.8}

Then there is no jubilee until the great trumpet shall be blown, which will gather  the elect people from the four winds of heaven, and deliver the captives, those who are bound in death, as well as those who are under the smarting scourge of the tyrants of the earth; and will give the possession of the earth to the saints, with Christ for their king, and he will possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever. The land which is given to the saints by promise, would not be inherited until the 2450 years of captivity should be completed, and this must harmonize with the year of release. Now, suppose we begin our time for the great Jubilee, at the time when the Jewish jubilees were broken and could not be kept in their regular order, when they went into their seventy years' captivity, in the year B. C. 607, before our vulgar era; (see chronology in the first chapter of Daniel;) which 607 years taken from 2450 years, will leave 1843 after the birth of Christ. You may inquire, what will be done in the year 1843? I answer, - 1. The last trumpet must be blown, which ushers in the great Jubilee, which brings in the eternal redemption of the people of God, and secures to them the promised inheritance. It brings liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. It gives unto them who mourn in Zion, beauty for ashes, and the spirit of joy, for the spirit of heaviness. It gives praise to him who hath planted us as trees of righteousness in his courts in the garden of God. It builds the waste places of Zion, and raises to life and animation the desolations that death has made in former generations. It makes all the then inhabitants of the earth kings and priests unto God and to Christ, and they will reign with him in the eternal kingdom. It redeems the saints from all sin; and takes away the curse from the earth. It wipes away all reproach from the saints, and all that see them will acknowledge them the seed the Lord hath blessed. All the tears of Zion's children will be wiped from their eyes; and the kingdom, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 30.1}

2. You will naturally inquire, What will be the situation of the wicked? I answer, God will take vengeance on them in flaming fire; they will consume away in the smoke; they will be as stubble fully dry; he will burn them up, and leave neither father nor son. He will dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel, and they will be carried away by the indignation of the Almighty, and thrust down to hell in the fierceness of his wrath. Their bodies will be ashes under the feet of the saints, and their spirits confined in the dark pit of wo. At the sight of his glory, they shall howl; and under the rod of his justice, they shall gnash their teeth with madness. Their torment shall be without mitigation, and their hopes be blown away like the dust. They will cry for vexation of spirit, and call aloud, but have none to hear. This will be the lot of those who obey not the gospel, and the inheritance of those who keep not his commandments. {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 32.1}

3. Now let me inquire, reader, what will be your condition when God rises up to the prey; when he comes forth to save the meek of the earth? Have you less than two years to make your last choice, either for heaven or hell? And are you spending the last moments which mercy gives, in frivolity and sin? Awake, awake! Behold, he cometh! "go you out to meet him." {1842 WiM, LTSGJ 33.1}

 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:19 AM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of
http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm

 Randy, I made it clear I do not accept all that came out of 1840-1844. 2520 is bogus. You will never convince me. Lets present Jesus as savior and get away from these useless distractions. I have no more time to waste on this. Blessings, SB

 From: 2520 [mailto:contact@2520yearprophecy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm

 Dear Mr. SB,

 As stated from the outset I had no intention of convincing you. I only provided the data. You have made your own decision. It was you who initiated the contact all that was done was a response. Then in truth you do not accept EGW as a prophet the evidence has been supplied and she did confirm and believe in the information that was on the 1843 and 1850 Charts.  She had stated repeatedly that we have no new message and that the message of 1840-44 was the same message for today. Since you reject this you then by default reject her.  The 2520, Daily and Islam are all a part of that Chart. These are not small matters.

 God Bless

Sincerely,

Randy Moeller

www.2520yearprophecy.com

 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:50 PM
To: '2520'
Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/questions.htm

Randy, I accept EGW as a prophet much more than most. It cannot be proved she ENDORSES 2520. Your accusatory condemning statement is not appreciated. You are saying two different things. If you only “provided” the data, then why are you saying I don’t accept EGW? What about the SDA’s who do not accept 2520,  according to you they also do not accept EGW?

My faith in EGW is more confirmed because she does not directly confirm this. You are on a wrong course in condemning your brethren because they don’t believe as you do. Please examine yourself in the light of God’s word.

SB

Answer

Dear Mr. SB,

 First when you examine the chart in detail you will see the following:

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 You will note that Christ is in the center of the Chart. Hence when we speak of the Chart we are speaking of the Rock of our Foundation our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 That in the top right hand corner of that Chart is the 2520. The 2520 was an established truth for them and there was no need for her to comment on it. The 2300 Days was in reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem so it had a powerful influence on them and that is why it was mentioned over and over again. We now understand even more and that 2300 is part of the 2520 and they both end at the same time.  This does not take anything away from our understanding of the 2300 year prophecy but establishes independently the importance of the 2300 year prophecy. It becomes a separate witness unto it.

 

 As stated before EGW about the Chart:

      September 23, the Lord showed me that He had stretched out His hand the second time to recover the remnant of His people, and that efforts must be redoubled in this gathering time. In the scattering, Israel was smitten and torn, but now in the gathering time God will heal and bind up His people. In the scattering, efforts made to spread the truth had but little effect, accomplished but little or nothing; but in the gathering, when God has set His hand to gather His people, efforts to spread the truth will have their designed effect. All should be united and zealous in the work. I saw that it was wrong for any to refer to the scattering for examples to govern us now in the gathering; for if God should do no more for us now than He did then, Israel would never be gathered. I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed. (EW74)

 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. (Malachi 3:6 KJV)

 Our Lord does change nor did He change the Message please note the following quotes as before:

         Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel's message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew then what the message meant, and we call upon our people today to obey the word, "Bind up the law among My disciples." In this world there are but two classes,--the obedient and the disobedient. To which class do we belong? (GCB April 1st 1903)

       The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages. (GCB April 6th 1903)

       We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches. We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they speak.(RH Jan 19th 1905)

       The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit.(15MR Ltr 75 1905)

        All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible now, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the churches.  {21MR 437.1}(LTR 54 1906)

       God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844{MR760 30.1}(July 4th 1907)

Sister White makes it abundantly clear that it is God who gave us this message. It is not up to us decide what we want to accept or reject. The message that was given during that time period included the 2520, 2300, 1335, 1290, Islam, Daily and more. If you reject one you reject them all hence you also reject the SOP. You have been given the evidence again.  This chart is representative of the 3 Angels message.

 1.          It brings conviction (Fear of God)

2.       Instruction (Glory to God – change of character)

3.       Judgment

 You have been shown that the message of 1840-44 is the foundation message. You have been shown that the 1843 Chart was directed by the hand of the Lord. You have seen the 2520 on the Chart. You have read 6 statements saying that we have no new message and that message from 1840-44 is the same message for today.  The message that was preached is that message. Please read the statement below.

      I saw a company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those who would unsettle the established faith of the body. God looked upon them with approbation. I was shown three steps-- the first, second, and third angels' messages. Said my accompanying angel, "Woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received." I was again brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step, until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some with rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find fault with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then the platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong. But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They recounted the wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm platform, and in union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice glorified God. This affected some of those who had complained and left the platform, and they with humble look again stepped upon it.  {EW 258.3}

 One Last thought:

      Those who engage in the solemn work of bearing the third angel's message, must move out decidedly, and in the Spirit and power of God, fearlessly preach the truth, and let it cut. They should elevate the standard of truth, and urge the people to come up to it. It has been lowered down to meet the people in their condition of darkness and sin. It is the pointed testimony that will bring up the people to decide. A peaceful testimony will not do this. The people have the privilege of listening to this kind of teaching from the pulpits of the day. But God has servants to whom he has entrusted a solemn, fearful message, to bring out and fit up a people for the coming of Christ. There is a great a difference in our faith and that of nominal professors, as the heavens are higher than the earth.  {2SG 299.2} 

 As stated before I cannot change your mind I can only provide the Data which has been given. The rest is between you the Cross and the Holy Spirit.  There is a platform for us to stand upon I heartily encourage you to stand upon it.

 

 God Bless

Sincerely,

Randy Moeller

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